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Pigeons' Bandwidth Advantage Quantified
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Posted by timothy on Wednesday March 31, @02:58PM
from the breed-knoppix-pigeons dept.
An anonymous reader submits "A well documented test took place in the north of Israel, in presence of several dozen Internet geeks and experts. During the test, 3 homing pigeons carried 4 GB (gigabytes) for 100 km distance, achieving, what apparently looks as pigeons' world record in data transfer to a given distance. Bandwidth achieved by the pigeons was 2.27 Mbps...Transferring a similar volume of information through a common uplink of ADSL line would have taken no less than 96 hours..."

 

 
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But... (Score:5, Funny)
by michaelhood (667393) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @02:59PM (#8730829)
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the DSL doesn't shit on my car.
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Back of envalope (Score:5, Interesting)
by brejc8 (223089) * Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @02:59PM (#8730832)
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2.27 Mbps = 0.28375 MBps
4 GB / 0.28375 MBps = 14097 secs
14097 secs = 3h 54Mins
100km / 3h 54Mins = 25.53 km/h
25.53 km/h = 15.86 mph

Not bad for laden little pigeons
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new firewall technology (Score:5, Funny)
by Triumph The Insult C (586706) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:00PM (#8730846)
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12 gauge shotgun i'm applying for the patent right now
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Mandatory joke (Score:5, Funny)
by davebarz (546161) * Alter Relationship <david...barzelay@@@vanderbilt...edu> on Wednesday March 31, @03:00PM (#8730849)
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There will be at least ten comments that say (even though it's a pigeon and not a swallow): "Was it African, or European?"

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let's get this joke out of the way early (Score:5, Funny)
by stephenb (18235) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:00PM (#8730851)
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the relevant rfc [ietf.org]
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Sure (Score:5, Interesting)
by Neil Blender (555885) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:00PM (#8730855)
Fill up a cargo jet with full up hard drives and I'd bet you get really good bandwidth.
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One of those things that shouldn't surprise but... (Score:5, Interesting)
by Space cowboy (13680) * Alter Relationship <simon&hostip,info> on Wednesday March 31, @03:00PM (#8730860)
(http://hostip.info/)

It's a truism within the London-based Post-production industry (pretty much all located within a square mile of Soho, central London) that the bandwidth of a bunch of RAID arrays in a transit van is pretty much unbeatable, even with the fast networks that post-houses have between themselves... transferring physical media used to be called 'sneakernet' when walking across the room, it's just been scaled up slightly :-)

I'm quite impressed that a pigeon can do 100km in 2.5 hours though, I had no idea they were *that* fast...

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    Re:One of those things that shouldn't surprise but (Score:5, Funny)
    by kfg (145172) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:46PM (#8731392)
    Actually, that's a working pace for a pigeon. They were working hard, but not really what you could call "trying." Birds are fast.

    Mind you a duck will overhaul a pigeon. That fat body is all wing flapping muscle. A duck is built to fly fast, high and for days at a time if needed. A duck in fear of its life can break 100 kph in level flight. An Eider just trying to get somewhere in a hurry for no particular reason has been clocked at 76 kph. That's the current officially confirmed record.

    Nevermind the falcon that eats the pigeon creating packet loss.

    I have no idea what the achievable bandwidth of a duck is though. They could deliver data intercontinetally. Having to wait through migratory periods would probably kill it pretty good.

    KFG
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    Re:One of those things that shouldn't surprise but (Score:5, Interesting)
    by LostCluster (625375) * Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:44PM (#8731365)
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    When a Clear Channel radio station changes formats and therefore needs a large volume of music on site quickly, they usually send a server that is pre-loaded with the new format worth of music on HDs, and the studio just plugs that into their network. This also gives them the capability to change the format overnight without anybody at the studio complex needing advanced notice, so that soon-to-be-unemployed DJs don't see it coming and therefore leave the station a few days early to ruin the transition... the UPS delivery of the new music comes in a non-descript cardboard box which can be scheduled to be on the site just hours before the changeover happens.
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    Time to switch (Score:5, Funny)
    by unbiasedbystander (660703) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:01PM (#8730869)
    That's it, I'm switching to PSL. (Pigeon Subscriber Line)
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    What about packet loss? (Score:5, Funny)
    by Jack Zombie (637548) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:01PM (#8730877)
    You'd lose both a huge amount of your data and your only connection should something happen to those pigeons. Still, it's more reliable than AOL.
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    MD5 hash... (Score:5, Funny)
    by addie (470476) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:02PM (#8730897)
    I feel sorry for the pigeon who needs to be hashed on the other end to check if it's the same one... that's gotta hurt.
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    What, no packet loss... (Score:5, Funny)
    by GeneralEmergency (240687) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:02PM (#8730898)
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    ...induced by hungry hawks?


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      Fetch me porn (Score:5, Funny)
      by superpulpsicle (533373) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:04PM (#8730918)
      Now if I can train my pets to fetch me playboys from local 7-11s, I am as good as without broadband.
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      It begins... (Score:5, Insightful)
      by stevenbdjr (539653) Alter Relationship <steven@mrchuckles.net> on Wednesday March 31, @03:04PM (#8730920)
      (http://www.mrchuckles.net/)

      Is it already April 1st somewhere?


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      Pigeon DNS (Score:5, Funny)
      by Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:06PM (#8730950)
      That's all fine and good if you know where you're sending your packets. But what if you have to do a DNS look up? Then you have to send several scout pigeons to the nearest aviary which will in turn send a pigeon back with a map of where to send your data pigeons.

      And there's a whole other issue with those bastard Verisign Pigeons, but I'm not going to get into that now.

      There's also a risk of packet sniffers who use various means to down your pigeons and read your data (no router protection).

      And if they do happen to down your pigeon, they can give it new data and send it on its way as if it came from your IP (iniating pigeon). WATCH OUT CREDIT CARDS!

      The solution of course is to use Pretty Good Pigeons to protect your data.
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      Fat Pipe Pigeons.. (Score:5, Funny)
      by kortex (590172) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:08PM (#8730968)
      ..but can they stream?
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        Well, DUH! (Score:5, Funny)
        by purduephotog (218304) Alter Relationship <hirsch@in o r b i t.com> on Wednesday March 31, @03:09PM (#8730993)
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        The Worlds Record for Data Transfer in a Station Wagon"

        Basically, a station wagon of 35 gig tapes from SETI is driven to it's destination. Takes 16 hrs to fill 1 tape.

        Although it is very humorous to see pigeons used, they are still prone to packet failure (automatic weapons fire).
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        The problem with pigeons... (Score:5, Funny)
        by eth1 (94901) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:25PM (#8731158)
        (http://andrew.theharms.org/)
        is all the 'packets' they drop
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          but the pigeon carrier signal can be attacked (Score:5, Interesting)
          by circletimessquare (444983) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:30PM (#8731220)
          The ancient sport of "The pigeon war, better known as kash al-hamam, involves having opponents keep their flocks up circling in the sky as they try to lure each other's pigeons into their flocks." [lebanonwire.com]

          So the pigeon carrier signal can be hijacked, and data can be stolen in a new kind of man-in-the-middle type attack specific to the pigeon protocol.

          Additionally, this type of attack is freighted with geopolitical intrigue: this pigeon war sport is practiced in Lebanon, which, being a place of conflict with Israel, renders yet another dimension of threat to the robustness and security of the pigeon carrier signal.

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            No fair... (Score:5, Funny)
            by j-turkey (187775) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:32PM (#8731241)
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            During the test, 3 homing pigeons carried 4 GB (gigabytes) for 100 km distance

            Not a fair comparison against DSL...they multiplexed the pigeons. This is just more anti-DSL FUD
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              Re:packet loss? (Score:5, Funny)
              by oGMo (379) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:02PM (#8730882)
              the response time for packet loss is prohibitive...

              But oh so tasty!

              ;-)


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              Re:Lets see what happens if... (Score:5, Funny)
              by Mr. Bad Example (31092) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:15PM (#8731053)
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              Lets see how far those flying rats get with 4 GB of floppies attached to their frickin' heads.

              We can't attach them there.

              That's where the frickin' lasers go.

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              Re:My car is better (Score:5, Insightful)
              by DrWhizBang (5333) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:17PM (#8731076)
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              I can throw 10,000 DVDs in my trunk, and drive 100km in an hour

              How long does it take you to load 10,000 DVDs in your trunk? Not to suggest that you still wouldn't beat the pigeons, but I don't think your time would be as good as you are hoping.

              Would that be considered "great bandwidth"?

              Yes, but that latency would not be considered so great.

              Besides, if they can use 3 pigeons, why not compare it to 3 DSL lines?

              You could, or you could compare one pigeon with dial-up. Or you could compare with an 18-wheeler instead of the trunk of your car.
              Lighten up - this is a great hack! And better than another SCO story.
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              Re:Ha! (Score:5, Funny)
              by Trejkaz (615352) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:19PM (#8731091)
              Absolutely, I've been using avian carriers for my connection for years, and never had a #%!@#70824645[CARRIER LOST]
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              Re:Ha! (Score:5, Funny)
              by stephenisu (580105) Alter Relationship on Wednesday March 31, @03:19PM (#8731094)
              What is the air speed velocity... um... I mean Data Transfer rate of a homing pigeon...
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